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Hello, KingJeff1970, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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Saw your recent edits. Feel free to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Montana and any others that interest you. Montanabw(talk) 21:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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So glad you could join us this Saturday! Above is a template with some links you may find of interest. Rjensen and Mike Cline are also available for questions. Jump in and start making some edits and you'll have the hang of it quickly. Looking forward to seeing your contributions!--Tbennert (talk) 02:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New article on Merrill G. Burlingame[edit]

Jeff, I've just moved the article on Merrill G. Burlingame into the mainspace. You might want to try your hand at working on the section re the Montana Historical Society. You may have more access to sources re this than I did. Thanks --Mike Cline (talk) 13:44, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can find, Mike. I'm sure we have a vertical file on him that is likely to have some good sources. I'm a huge Burlingame fan so this will be great, and, yes, I know I'm a nerd. --KingJeff1970 (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Opportunity to improve Wikipedia Skills[edit]

Jeff, the article Montana Vigilantes has been significantly expanded over the last week and is now a Good Article Nominee. If you want to tackle the review, just follow the instructions at WP:GAN. Reviewing article at GAN is very good practice in learning the ins and outs of WP. Just be sure to start the review before someone beats you to it. --Mike Cline (talk) 19:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, like me! (No worries Mike, I have other fish to fry!) Montanabw(talk) 23:07, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jeff, the Legobot just notified me on my talk that the GAN for Vigilantes failed, yet you've made no comments yet. Not sure what's going on. --Mike Cline (talk) 20:56, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


That was my error. I thought it silly and a WP:FORK to move the article to a more complicated title, so I moved it back. Didn't realize that Mike had put it up for GA under the new name. Montanabw(talk) 21:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Montana Vigilantes GAN review[edit]

Jeff, I think I've covered all the issues raised in the review. Let me know if there is anything else I should correct. Thanks. A good review that forced me to do some digging. --Mike Cline (talk) 14:06, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sandboxes[edit]

Hey there, just fixed your sandbox so it doesn't redirect to your new article (which, by the way, you ought to submit to WP:DYK. Ping me if you need help doing so). I also popped in a couple helpful tags that keep sandboxes from being indexed by webcrawlers and bots (I had a sandbox where I forgot to put the noindex tag start showing up in Google searches long before it was ready!) and another one with the disclaimer that it's a workspace. Just toss the tags before the article goes live, or better yet, create a sandbox with your proposed article title, which you can then delete later when the article moves to mainspace (as I am currently doing with User:Montanabw/Kenneth and Sarah Ramsey. As always, just revert anything I do that isn't working for you. I also pinged you on the talk page of someone who is making a lot of edits to the Denise Juneau article as a potential person who might be able to help that user do a better job of editing. Montanabw(talk)

I'm afraid I thought you could just move your sandbox to the main space and call it good. What did I do wrong? How would I avoid that redirect in the future? Next time I start working on an article I suppose I'll start it as a draft with the Article Wizard. Thanks for fixing my sandbox!--KingJeff1970 (talk) 21:33, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You did nothing wrong, it's just a minor fix. They don't explain the setup very well. The WP software always leaves a redirect behind with any move so that anyone else who linked to the old version doesn't lose track of the article when it's moved. It also preserves the edit history from the sandbox. Article Wizard really sucks, in my opinion, plus the submission process is where articles go to die. I start new articles one of three ways:
  1. The fastest method is when I just create a redlink of the title I want click on it and start editing madly; which works for articles where you can whip up a respectable stub within an hour or so and then improve them in dribs and drabs as you go. I just did this with Thumps and Parascaris equorum (the latter is at DYK right now, by the way). Whenever I see a redlink that I think needs an article, it's fast and easy. The only drawback is that new users can't do this at first. I've done some fairly complex article this way ( like Sip 'n Dip Lounge), you just have to make sure the initial stub has a ref or two, or at least use the {{underconstruction}} tag while you are pulling it together and have something big enough to "survive" within about 48 hours.
  2. For more complex articles that will take some time (like the one on the Ramseys that I linked above), and especially if they might have multiple contributors, I create a new sandbox for each. Then, when I DO move the article to mainspace, the edit history goes with it. (See, e.g. the history of Bayern (horse) or Hotel Baxter, both of which were started that way. Look at the older/oldest edits and in the first 50 or so you will probably see an edit summary like "moving article to mainspace"or something. Once I move the article, I blank the old sandbox page and a bot will eventually delete it from the system if it's a totally blank page per Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G7. This helps others share credit for the project, particularly when you worked on it for quite a while before taking it "live."
  3. For stuff I want to sandbox but don't want to have the edit history dragged over, I use one of my "recycled" sandboxes (I have a Sandbox 1, sandbox 2, etc...), create the article, and then when it's ready to go live, I make a redlink of the title, open it up and copy/ paste my draft into the window. I created John Osborne Varian and Norma Ashby this way. You lose the edit history, but if you are the only one who worked on it, who cares? This used to be the main method I used until s my co-author on Norma's article was irritated that his work didn't get credit with the copy and paste and pointed out to me the handy-dandy method of creating a sandbox with a unique title for each article you incubate in a sandbox.
  4. I next learned that it's a bit awk to keep moving the same sandbox when I created William Robinson Brown. I recycled an old sandbox while writing it, with the awkward result that a previous attempt to work on an article about a Buddhist geshe is now in the edit history of an article about an Arabian horse breeder. I'm still mildly embarrassed about that one!

Hope that helps! Montanabw(talk) 06:33, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fur trade in Montana - Good start[edit]

Jeff, you'll note the two tags that another editor placed on your new article Fur Trade in Montana. I don't think the notability tag is relevant and have removed it. This article clearly meets WP:GNG requirements. Additionally, I've listed a variety of additional sources relevant to the topic to back that up. On the "opinion" tag, there's probably some validity there, but all that's required is to incorporate different perspectives into the article. You might what to query the editor who placed the tag to get more insight into why they so think. The article definitely needs a lead section WP:LEAD and some images. Let me know if I can help in anyway. I've corrected a few style issues as well, including the title which should alway be in sentence, not title case. It would also be useful to start linking this article in other relevant articles. Good start. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:28, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing my bonehead titling error, I know better than that. I've always detested using sentence case in library cataloging so I probably did it subconsciously; I thought I was being careful in going live with the article. Oh well, practice, practice, practice... I know the article needs much more work, especially a lead and bringing in more of an Indian perspective. I'll work on those if no one else does it first. I just wanted to get it out there so others could more easily add to it and people could read it. Thanks for whatever help you can offer.--KingJeff1970 (talk) 22:04, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New articles list[edit]

Jeff, saw your new articles list. FYI, I've got two of them in the hopper. De Lacy and James Stuart.

De Lacy is just about ready to go, I just need to do some clean up. I've been working on it for the MSU Library. Stuart has a few holes to fill before it goes. Feel free to add to them in my user space if you want. Thanks --Mike Cline (talk) 14:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Fur trade in Montana[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:47, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Pics?[edit]

Wondering if you can locate any PD images to add to 1935 Helena earthquake. Montanabw(talk) 21:04, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tools[edit]

Hey KingJeff1970, you are now entering the dark realms of vandal patrol. I'm going to give you a heads up to the existence of a handy tool called Wikipedia:Twinkle, which is an incredible time saver, and you also are probably eligible to request Wikipedia:Rollback, which is even faster (though fraught with danger if misused). Very handy. Montanabw(talk) 03:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see this one?[edit]

Assessments[edit]

Don't over-assess importance on WP Montana articles, the default is "low" unless there's a good reason to go higher, and very, very few articles should be top. Montanabw(talk) 19:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. Thanks for the feedback; I shall take it easy. I was cherry-picking to some degree, picking out governors and some other fairly important folks (long-serving Senators and Reps). The criteria on our project page does direct that political figures would typically be mid importance, so I interpreted that the most significant political figures should be high importance. Actually, maybe I will put this up for discussion on the project page for posterity's sake. Let me know what you think... --KingJeff1970 (talk) 02:43, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review initiated for Montana Vigilantes[edit]

In advance of FAC, a peer review is underway for Wikipedia:Peer review/Montana Vigilantes/archive1 All help appreciated. --Mike Cline (talk) 14:16, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Editathon[edit]

Hey, just a ping to suggest the best way to organize an event is to look at this: Wikipedia:How_to_run_an_edit-a-thon and also User:Rosiestep/Editathons My thoughts are that we can create a workpage at Wikipedia:GLAM/Montana History (or spelled out title) similar to the one at Wikipedia:GLAM/McGill. However, I think you need to be the one to create it (and decide what to name it) given that the MHS will be sponsoring and such. I can make it pretty once you have the basics. Also look at Wikipedia:Meetup#Procedure_and_advice. I'll also look for articles that already exist and are in desperate need of help that you can add there under a "cleanup" heading: one I've already found is Melrose, Montana. Montanabw(talk) 16:42, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Big thanks for the "boost," and excellent article selection. I'll see if I can devote time to sprucing it up a bit over the next couple days.KingJeff1970 (talk) 15:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think a very important thing is to find more articles for improvement, particularly biographies. Easy to link directly! Montanabw(talk) 03:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeannette Rankin[edit]

Can you peek at the photos in the article and maybe point me (and others) to any image collections that are public domain (i.e. published pre-1923)? Seems some iconic images aren't in there. Also, post more links to cool MHS source material! Yay! (I'd suggest posting at Talk:Jeannette Rankin. Montanabw(talk) 18:03, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not my circus...[edit]

Check to see that less reliable sources aren't being used in place of more reliable ones? Talk:Fur_trade_in_Montana#Date_of_sale_of_the_Rocky_Mountain_Fur_Company I don't want to get into the position where I am caring more about this article than the people who did most of the work on it. Montanabw(talk) 02:47, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats, you've met your first WP troll. You handled it far better than I would have  ;-). Montanabw(talk) 18:58, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion! And notes on my editing.[edit]

Hi, I appreciate the input concerning my edits to Timeline of the American Old West. I wasn't aware of your talk page post detailing the policy on editing one section at a time until after I made my most recent edit. Most of my edits to this particular article have spanned multiple sections in an attempt to avoid crowding the "View history" page with a long list of my edits; but in retrospect the one-at-a-time policy makes sense, especially for timelines. I will try to focus on one section per edit in the future!

As for the intention of some of my recent edits, specifically the ones that have altered or removed information from your edits, I hope you understand that I'm not trying to bowdlerize your input! Rather I am simply trying to keep most of the entries free of needless verbosity. I think timelines are easier to read and more manageable when the entries are minimally worded (though not minimally detailed!) - they're simply there to make readers aware of the chronology and the general context of the described events, nothing more. If a reader wants to learn more about a particular entry, they need only click on the contained links.

Take, for example, your entry on Mission San Diego de Alcalá. The last sentence describing the effects of the Franciscan missions on indigenous peoples is good stuff - it's important info and reliably sourced - but I initially saw it as an example of verbosity for three reasons: 1) it's nearly as long as the first two sentences combined, 2) the nature of the 'serious decline' of the indigenous population is vague, and 3) the information it aims to share - that the indigenous population was affected by Spanish colonization - should be obvious to most readers from the earlier sentences, and indeed to anyone remotely conscious of any part of New World history. The sentence describes something that could be arbitrarily placed in numerous spots on this timeline; why should this particular entry be that spot? It isn't consistent with the rest of the timeline because it presents the effects of European colonization as if they are exclusively or especially relevant to the history of the indigenous peoples that lived near the mission, when that's clearly not the case. My opinion is that the majority of the specifically meaningful information in this particular entry is all contained within those first two sentences.

Hopefully that makes sense, but that's just the way I see it. I'm a verbose entry-writer myself (just look at my recent entry on the Johnson County War), so much of my editing simply attempts to rectify my own inadequacies in making information succinct and unambiguous to the average reader. I'm constantly revising my own entries to make them more concise, and I'm certain there's still a great many things to improve in most of them. Again, it's all an effort to make the timeline more like a series of finely detailed bullet points than a series of thesis-heavy paragraphs. That's just how I imagine things look and read best. Though I suppose a standard level of detail to be included in an entry is a fine line to draw, a vaguely bounded distinction between too little and too much, not to mention entirely subjective. I also believe in a great deal of leeway in adhering to standards, and keeping one sentence that does not fit my personal criteria for concision is not going to make or break the timeline, nor is it really for me to choose. I simply wanted to explicate to you some of my editing methods and why I make the edits that I do.

Your entries are full of great information and I thoroughly enjoy seeing new content that I would never have thought to include! This article benefits significantly from your regular contribution. Please don't hesitate to tell me if I am overstepping the limits of propriety in the edits that I make to your original work. Also, I plan on outlining a bit more of my vision for the formatting of this timeline in the article's talk page, and I would greatly appreciate your feedback there! PJsg1011 (talk) 23:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I greatly appreciate hearing your perspective. It helps a great deal in understanding your edits. Nearly all of your editing on entries I've added has improved the text so keep it up. I'm not always the best writer and need someone to copyedit or improve what I'm trying to say. Anyway, we should probably take some off this discussion to the Talk page for the Timeline. I'll continue there.--KingJeff1970 (talk) 18:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you find a free image?[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Montana&type=revision&diff=692460334&oldid=688302590. Montanabw(talk) 08:15, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Season's Greetings[edit]

 Wishing you a Charlie Brown
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A series of new articles, some related to the fur trade. See Joseph Robidoux (two articles so far) and Louis Robidoux, James White Cloud, and Mary Many Days Robidoux. I am not familiar enough with the topic to determine if there are any issues, but I had a few red flags due to a claim that one of them was the second husband of Otter Woman, and that article could also benefit from a fact check.

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Help in the lede of Slavery in the Spanish New World colonies[edit]

KingJeff1970, could you give a hand on this article's lede? Taking it on strides. I already made a request for help in the talk page. Thanks. Caballero/Historiador ⎌ 22:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas,
KingJeff1970!
"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you
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Discussion of interest[edit]

Discussion at my talk page you might be able to shed light on: User_talk:Montanabw#Thomas_Laspeyre. Montanabw(talk) 20:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • USA report: trick or treat
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  • WMF GLAM report: News about Structured Commons!
  • Calendar: November's GLAM events
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