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Welcome to the drive![edit]
Welcome, welcome, welcome Chris troutman! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.
CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:43, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)
Thanks[edit]
Sorry you had to get involved in the recent mess on my Talk Page. That's a downside of being a stalker! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: No problem, at all. I'm a stalker by choice. (There's even an award for it!) Wikipedians should be free from harassment and it takes a team effort to enjoy a robust defense. I'm glad for your sake it was some harmless spam as opposed to the hate-filled vitriol our admins get. I don't get much drama on my own user talk so I find a few good watering holes where trouble congregates so I can get my fill when hungry. I've also found that deranged newcomers often think that they're successfully pressuring a single Wikipedian so when help shows up from out of the woodwork the offenders find themselves rightfully chastened. I, myself, enjoy the aid of those Wikipedians who stalk my user talk and I am grateful for that friendship. It turns out that it was me who welcomed you to Wikipedia almost six years ago, and you've been drawing the right sort of attention since then. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
A beer for you![edit]
Thanks for your help with the edit request on Data breach! Buidhe paid (talk) 18:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
Data breach GA[edit]
Hi Chris, I note you took a careful look at Data breach while doing transfers of its old content. It has been nominated for a GAN, at Talk:Data breach/GA1. I thought I'd let you know in case you would like to make comments here or at that page (and to be clear this is a notification, not a request!). Best, CMD (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Where is Kate? for deletion[edit]
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where is Kate? (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 11:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
My "partisan derangement"[edit]
Please, tell me about my "partisan derangement". You obviously don't like it, which reveals your bias. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I am against biased editors who allow their beliefs to drive editing, when it should be that a complete survey of sources drive our editing. More than once you've made claims of psychological projection which, I think, speak to your inability to persuade. If you don't like my responses you can file at WP:ANI. Otherwise, just admit you got in over your head and find somewhere else to edit. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Re-review[edit]
Hello Chris Troutman – I'm sorry if this is not the right place to do this, but I was told if I want my article about Betsy Taylor to be re-reviewed I should ask the original person who rejected it (you) to read it again. I have changed a lot of the language to both establish the subject's notability, add sources of people talking about her, and remove a lot of the content that was "peacocking." I would really appreciate you taking a second look at it, thank you so much. Jeanvaljeanjacket (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeanvaljeanjacket: I get the sense that you did not carefully follow the instructions I already provided. I should not have to repeat myself. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did my best to follow your past instructions and those changes are reflected in my latest version. As you suggested, I removed all the external links, removed many citations that were from articles she wrote or was quoted in, and removed language to suggest that this is a vanity project. I am not sure what else to do to prove her notability – I would think that her inclusion in United Nations conferences on topics that she helped develop, interviews on national news sites like CBS, and multiple published books would be sufficient, but maybe I am just missing something. I don’t mean to make you repeat yourself, and I am just genuinely at a loss! Thanks. Jeanvaljeanjacket (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeanvaljeanjacket: Yes, you did those two things. What else I had said explained that notability on Wikipedia is not what you think it is. The boards she sat on don't matter. Where she went to school does not matter. What TV shows she was on doesn't matter. You might think that they would matter but I'm telling you Wikipedia does not care. We need significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources, so that excludes all her employers and any interviews, appearances, or publications of hers. Sources like what she published (her website, The Grist piece you cite, her contributor bio at HuffPost) are all unallowable. Citations like this page from The Summer Chronicle does not even mention her. So you have no claim of notability, which is why I rejected you submission with no hope of appeal instead of simply declining your submission so that you could re-submit with changes. I posit Betsy Taylor won't be notable until we have obituaries published. I'm not saying that to be dismissive or macabre; most people will never be notable and the few that are won't have sufficient source material until after they are dead. I don't see a way this could be published so you should find something else to write about. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did my best to follow your past instructions and those changes are reflected in my latest version. As you suggested, I removed all the external links, removed many citations that were from articles she wrote or was quoted in, and removed language to suggest that this is a vanity project. I am not sure what else to do to prove her notability – I would think that her inclusion in United Nations conferences on topics that she helped develop, interviews on national news sites like CBS, and multiple published books would be sufficient, but maybe I am just missing something. I don’t mean to make you repeat yourself, and I am just genuinely at a loss! Thanks. Jeanvaljeanjacket (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Notice of vandalism[edit]
Notice of vandalism, intentionally inflammatory headlines, unsourced content Pixel-Lead453 (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think that the intention here was to warn you that the editor reported you at WP:3RRN. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 21:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Russ Woodroofe: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SergeS18 Chris Troutman (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. Indeed, I should have started the SPI myself, but they are so overworked there, and I hadn't made the connection with earlier accounts. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 21:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Russ Woodroofe: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SergeS18 Chris Troutman (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Sexism[edit]
- Hey Chris. I hope you're doing well. Regarding this diff, I'd like to request that you avoid this type of communication in the future. It's really hard not to read that diff as "I wish I were talking to a man right now", which is a really mean thing to say to a woman. When I think of the impression I want the WMF to have of enwiki, I do not want that impression to be "the wiki that lets their editors say sexist things to our employees". WMF / enwiki relations have been improving, and this type of thing could be a major backslide. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Novem Linguae: I understand that some editors are trying to build bridges with the WMF and I admit I forgot about those folks when I posted what I did today. I although I firmly believe that everyone associated with the WMF deserves every fair criticism, I ought to think more about the ramifications I cause to my fellow editors engaged in this diplomatic work. That being said, I think this was the last time I'll be posting to any WMF employee user talk page, leaving the task to cooler heads. I will say that I deplore the lack of consideration the WMF gives Guy Macon and Andreas; I hope others can successfully communicate those concerns as I cannot. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Chris, can you explain what you meant by this recent comment to a WMF staffer? I ask because I interpreted it to imply “it would be better for a man to have your role” which would quite obviously not be appropriate. firefly ( t · c ) 20:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Firefly: When LDickinson made her comment last year, I responded in that thread with a shorter and more-focused message, which I had forgotten about. (I only see now that Jimbo replied to me in defense of his employee.) Clearly, anyone who complains of feeling uncomfortable should not represent a reviled non-profit to that organization's volunteers, regardless of sex. I thought very carefully today before I posted what I did and couched my comments very clearly, thinking back to what I've heard Jordan Peterson say. Although I find Dr. Peterson's summations on the topic insightful, I agree with you that my suppositions about gendered differences confused the real point I made in October of last year, which is about competence. It doesn't matter why I think LDickinson is incompetent and I shouldn't have posited my thinking on the subject. While I often condemn many editors for their incompetence, I don't usually surmise why unless it derives from conflict of interest. Clearly I was wrong to needlessly surmise here, and I'm going to halt doing that ever again on these servers, and you are right to question my judgement. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 22:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
April 2024[edit]
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. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 22:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)In light of your block I looked again at this and realised that I was remiss in not commenting here. A number of your comments were unacceptable by our policies and guidelines. In particular your comments aimed at Valjean. If such comments continue I will have to consider a one way IBAN. Doug Weller talk 12:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: What does my recent block have to do with that prior discussion? Chris Troutman (talk) 13:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- It reminded me of it. Doug Weller talk 13:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- I had that tête-à-tête with Valjean, who was POV pushing with a COATRACK. Neither you nor anyone else saw fit to warn or block me for what I said, probably because I did nothing wrong. It used to be that Wikipedians strove to honestly represent reliable sources, not push the "orange man bad" meme. Weeks later, I made a truthful comment to a WMF employee (which I stand by) and I got blocked for offending the political beliefs of a particular admin, who was egged on by others of the same persuasion. I hate to put words in your mouth, but if you feel now that you were
"remiss in not commenting"
then I can only assume that your political reality has changed. Chris Troutman (talk) 13:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)- That hasn't happened. I have no interest in discussing this. Doug Weller talk 15:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- I had that tête-à-tête with Valjean, who was POV pushing with a COATRACK. Neither you nor anyone else saw fit to warn or block me for what I said, probably because I did nothing wrong. It used to be that Wikipedians strove to honestly represent reliable sources, not push the "orange man bad" meme. Weeks later, I made a truthful comment to a WMF employee (which I stand by) and I got blocked for offending the political beliefs of a particular admin, who was egged on by others of the same persuasion. I hate to put words in your mouth, but if you feel now that you were
- It reminded me of it. Doug Weller talk 13:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 19:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
April 2024[edit]
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. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)